20VC: Index's Danny Rimer on Investing Lessons from Hits like Figma, Discord and Etsy to Missing Snapchat, Airbnb, Facebook & Spotify | Why Valuation is a Trap and Market Sizing, Signalling and Sector/Geo-Specific Funds are all Noise
Most important take away
If a founder is truly extraordinary, throw all theses, market-sizing, and preconceived notions out the window and back them — Index’s biggest misses (Spotify, Snap, Airbnb, Facebook at $10B) all stemmed from letting market frameworks, valuation comps, or fund-concentration limits override conviction in exceptional people. The corollary discipline: keep the main thing the main thing, kill snakes when you see them (decide and don’t revisit), and never let prior pattern-matching on a sector (e.g., music) blind you to a generational founder in it.
Summary
Actionable insights and career/investing lessons from Danny Rimer:
- Back extraordinary founders unconditionally. When a founder is truly exceptional, abandon thesis discipline, market sizing, and sector skepticism. Index’s biggest regrets (Spotify, Airbnb, Snap, LinkedIn) came from letting frameworks override founder conviction.
- “Keep the main thing the main thing” (Jim Barksdale). Resist distractions like geographic expansion (China, India), sector funds, and growth-fund FOMO. Index deliberately stayed focused.
- Snake rules for decision-making: (1) when you see a snake, kill it — make the decision; (2) don’t play with dead snakes — don’t revisit once decided; (3) all opportunities start by looking like snakes — your job is to assess and commit.
- Decision process: every partner votes on a 1–4 / 7–10 scale (no 5s or 6s, forcing a stance). The sponsoring partner’s conviction matters more than consensus; best deals are unanimous, but outliers backed by an emphatic champion still get through.
- Thesis-based investing as discipline: every investor has a “major and a minor” — areas they go deep on (e.g., fashion replacing music as a social lubricant led to Net-a-Porter, ASOS, Farfetch, Goat, Nina Bing). The thesis is a sifting tool, not a cage.
- Market size (TAM) is noise. You consistently underestimate winners (Twilio, Snap, Procore were all dismissed on TAM). The Airbnb mistake was asking “how many hotel rooms will it cannibalize?” instead of seeing new inventory created.
- Valuation trap: don’t anchor on current comps. Apple hitting $1T reframed what was possible. The same applies in reverse — Index passed Facebook at $10B because Instagram had only sold for $1B as a comp.
- No credit for being too early. Take product/tech-development risk (Figma’s 3-year alpha), but avoid second-derivative bets where you also have to assume future market adoption (e.g., VR).
- Best companies can IPO in any market. Don’t try to reinvent the going-public mechanics — that’s a distraction.
- Reserves & doubling down: deploy more as soon as you have signal better than peers. Lesson from missing Tomage’s DST-style move on Facebook secondary: when you find an asymmetric edge, concentrate, don’t diversify your attention.
- Avoid sector funds, impact funds, and geo-specific funds — they force you to back the best company in a constrained universe rather than the best company period.
- Be a “scaled artisan,” not an asset gatherer. Resist fund-size creep; larger funds change culture, push out carry, and overweight management fees.
- Brand and scarcity go hand-in-hand. Most tech “brands” are byproducts of great product (Google never really marketed). True brands are rare (Apple, Airbnb). Force founders to think about brand early — it’s almost impossible to retrofit.
- Exiting is a craft. Index’s edge with LPs is real DPI, not just IRR. Hold the sponsoring partner to one vote (not the deciding vote) on exits. Biggest exit mistakes have been holding too long, not selling too early (Etsy was a sell-too-early miss — they underestimated Josh Silverman’s turnaround).
- For failures: kill quickly. Letting NastyGal linger consumed mental bandwidth and opportunity cost far beyond the dollars lost. Detach emotion by remembering past mistakes and leaning on partners to keep you honest.
- For new investors: don’t rush to “put points on the board.” Meet many founders to build pattern recognition, but make very few bets. Allocate time disproportionately to the truly exceptional.
- Snap miss = unwillingness to concentrate >10% of fund in one consumer-social deal at $61M (Index would only do $40M). Lesson: when conviction in the founder is total, engineer the capital structure.
- Facebook at $10B miss redeemed by Yuri Milner secondary play — gratitude from the founder for the $5B term sheet led to Index getting secondary allocation.
- Sourcing/selecting/servicing/exiting: Index believes its real strength is exiting — they don’t fall in love with their own BS.
- US vs Europe founder calibration: discount US founders’ polish; amplify Europeans’ understated spikes. Look for the spike, not the full product. Evan Spiegel spiked hard in vision/clarity even though he wasn’t great everywhere.
- Operate from one office per geo, and only open a new geo by physically moving existing partners — don’t hire locally to seed culture. This is how Index scaled SF and NYC from London.
- Stay an outsider. Index’s proudest moments include not investing in crypto when herd pressure was extreme — none of the partners could honestly champion it.
- “Compassionate ass-kickers” (credit Jeff Weiner): compassion (not empathy — keep emotional distance) plus execution. When giving founder feedback: be vulnerable, ask for feedback on yourself first, then deliver patterns honestly.
- Trust instinct more. Recent shift: lean into gut/spiritual dimension as a leading indicator, then let analysis support — not drive — the call.
- Personal life: priorities are family, work, interests — in that order. Most regrets are from inverting #1 and #2 for trips that turned out to be meaningless.
- Humility: the business is humbling; you will keep making mistakes. The only edge is learning from partners and your own ledger of errors.
Chapter Summaries
- Early life & influences: Mama’s boy, art-obsessed kid in Switzerland. Comfortable being different. Jim Barksdale (Netscape, FedEx) was the formative mentor — taught “keep the main thing the main thing” and the snake rules.
- Index’s decision-making: 1–4 / 7–10 voting system (no middle), sponsor conviction matters most, best deals are unanimous. Manufactured friction so only high-conviction deals make it through.
- Thesis-based investing: Partners run a “major and minor.” Fashion-replaces-music thesis led to Net-a-Porter, ASOS, Farfetch, Goat. Theses are sifting tools — abandon them for extraordinary founders (the Spotify/Daniel Ek lesson).
- Market sizing & valuation traps: TAM is noise. Winners are consistently underestimated. Airbnb mis-framed as hotel-room cannibalization. Valuation comps anchor you too low (Facebook at $10B vs Instagram’s $1B exit).
- Market timing & IPOs: No credit for being too early. Best companies IPO in any market. Avoid second-derivative bets where market adoption is also a risk.
- Reserves, signaling & fund sizing: Multi-stage funds + same LPs across funds enable doubling down on signal. Signaling risk is largely a thing of the past. Stay a “scaled artisan” — resist fund-size creep that changes culture and delays carry.
- Sector/impact/geo funds: All are compromises — they force you off the highest-quality founder universe.
- Brand & scarcity: Most tech brands are byproducts. True brands (Apple, Airbnb) are rare. Force founders to think brand early; scarcity matters.
- Exiting craft: Index’s claimed strength. DPI is real. Mistakes skew toward holding too long; Etsy was sold too early.
- Failures (NastyGal): Lesson was letting go faster — opportunity cost of mental bandwidth exceeded dollar loss. Detach emotion from reserves decisions.
- New-investor advice: Meet many, bet few. Disproportionately allocate time to exceptional founders.
- Misses unpacked: Snap (wouldn’t go >10% of fund at $61M), Facebook at $10B (anchored on Instagram comp, redeemed via secondary), Spotify (over-rotated on prior music failures — Last.fm, SoundCloud, Juice).
- King (success): Multiple pivots, exceptional team (Riccardo, Sebastian, Stefan). Index stretched on ownership and price because of team conviction.
- Founder evaluation US vs Europe: Discount US polish, amplify European understatement. Look for the spike. Outsider/insider distinction matters less than passion.
- Building Index in SF: Moved partners (Mike, Danny) rather than hiring locally. Hardest part: resisting the herd in a one-industry town. Proudest moments include passing on crypto.
- Europe today: Push back on European pessimism. Brexit didn’t kill London. Over-rotating against Europe has been a repeated mistake.
- Empathy vs compassion: Jeff Weiner’s distinction. “Compassionate ass-kickers” = understand without absorbing, plus execute.
- Personal/family: Priorities are family, work, interests. Regrets are from inverting them — specific trips he wishes he hadn’t taken.
- Quick-fire close: Recent change — trusting instinct/spiritual dimension. Most memorable first meeting: Jason Citron (Discord) grilled him about NastyGal for an hour. Fiercest competitors: Sequoia, Accel, Benchmark. Learned most from Kevin Harvey (Benchmark) — including the rule to move partners, not hire, when opening a new geo. Vision for Index in 10 years: not bigger, just better — better partners, better returns, maybe one more office.