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20VC: Are the Best CEOs the Best Fundraisers, Are the Best Founders Insiders or Outsiders to a Problem, Why Ownership Should Not Be a Focus in VC & The Biggest Lessons Scaling MongoDB to $26BN Market Cap with Kevin Ryan, Founder @ AlleyCorp

20VC · Harry Stebbings — Kevin Ryan · April 10, 2024 · Original

Most important take away

Kevin Ryan’s career playbook is to pick a 10-year industry thesis, build deep vertical expertise on the team, then both incubate and invest from that knowledge base, rather than trying to time markets or optimize for ownership percentage. The biggest career lesson: when fundraising or selling, don’t anchor on ownership or price — if a great team in a great market is expensive, pay up; if someone makes you an offer you can’t refuse, take it.

Summary

Actionable insights and career advice from Kevin Ryan:

  • Exceptional operators usually show drive and leadership early (student council, athletics, McKinsey, top schools). Don’t romanticize the surfer-turned-billionaire trope — successful CEOs typically have a visible track record of focus and ambition before their big company.
  • Move faster than competitors in the first five years. DoubleClick won by opening 25 country offices before the first one was even profitable; that early aggression compounded into 25+ years of category dominance.
  • First-mover advantage matters when scale is the moat (Uber vs Lyft), less so when quality matters more. Calibrate aggression to the capital actually available — Mongo lost $1B over 10 years, which is only possible in a bull market.
  • Think in 10-year theses, not market timing. Ryan plans for “2034” — assume a recession will happen during the company’s life, but pick durable trends (psychedelics, fertility, robotics) where the sector will be 10–20x bigger regardless.
  • Back a great person AND a real market. Good founders don’t pivot from lab-grown meat to solar; if the industry isn’t happening, the founder can’t save you. E-commerce and media have produced almost no value in five years.
  • The best CEOs are usually the best fundraisers, especially early when it’s all vision. Later rounds shift toward unit economics. If your CEO can’t sell the vision, it will hurt you in Series A.
  • Insider vs outsider founders: in consumer, outsiders often win (Airbnb wasn’t from hotels). In enterprise/B2B, deep domain expertise matters much more — even Mongo’s team struggled to raise because they came from ad tech, not databases.
  • Serial entrepreneurs cluster more in enterprise; consumer breakouts are mostly first-timers. Don’t over-index on the repeat-founder pattern across industries.
  • Product-market fit isn’t only about speed. Mongo had no revenue for 3 years because the product had to actually work and scale. Speed without quality kills enterprise companies.
  • Companies die because they run out of cash — but the underlying cause is lack of product-market fit. Investors stop funding when numbers and team don’t justify it.
  • Ownership is a trap. If you anchor on owning 10%, you’ll skip the best deals because they’re priced higher. Pay up for an incredible team in an incredible market; the only question is whether it works, not what percentage you got.
  • Factor in dilution and capital intensity. Capital-light businesses with great founders in big markets are worth a premium.
  • Hunt non-sexy markets with low competition (shipping, hospital food management software). Stanford grads don’t flock there, so the bar is lower and markets are huge.
  • Incubation works when you (1) do real research before launching, (2) bring in a great CEO with meaningful equity (~40–45% for team), (3) add real value as the institutional partner. Trying to crank out too many companies kills hit rate.
  • Reserves discipline: AlleyCorp generally stops investing past $100–200M valuations, capping at ~$10–15M per company. Concentrating into “winners” at billion-dollar valuations isn’t always the best return.
  • Selling: if someone makes you an offer you can’t refuse, take it. Ryan sold Business Insider at $40M revenue for $450M. Held Mongo because conviction was 10–20x bigger.
  • On signaling risk: taking small checks from giant multi-stage firms is dangerous — if they don’t lead your next round, you’re orphaned and dead. Dedicated seed investors don’t carry that signal.
  • Venture is more competitive than ever: ~4x the capital of 2017, but not 4x the opportunities. Liquidity is broken for companies that should be public but can’t.
  • Geography: New York has dramatically outperformed expectations — talent follows where top-20-university grads want to live. San Francisco still leads AI because of Stanford/Berkeley proximity, but distribution will broaden.
  • On money and happiness: the work is the reward. Treat it like an NBA player playing past their first contract — you do it because you love it, not because you need more money. Install humility in kids from day one regardless of wealth.
  • Biggest career regret: not being more aggressive earlier in building a team and starting more companies. The last decade was a golden age and he didn’t fully press the advantage.

Chapter Summaries

  • Early years and exceptionalism: Ryan was a student council president type from fifth grade onward. Most successful CEOs show drive early — not necessarily by dropping out of Harvard, but through visible focus and leadership.
  • Luck vs. skill and biggest successes: Mongo (monetary), DoubleClick (most impactful — public in 24 months, 2000 people in 25 countries), Business Insider (most enjoyable), Guilt (most fun, painful exit at $250M after peaking at $1B paper).
  • DoubleClick lessons: Move faster and more aggressively than competitors in year one. Open offices before profitability. The first five years determined 25+ years of dominance.
  • Surviving the dot-com bust: 7 layoffs, 70% of clients went bankrupt. Ryan dismisses recent founders complaining about tight capital — 2001–2002 was true zero-money territory.
  • Market timing and theses: Ryan doesn’t time markets. He picks 10-year industry trends (psychedelics, fertility, robotics) and assumes a recession will happen.
  • People vs. market: both matter. Great founders can’t save dead markets. E-commerce and media have produced almost nothing in 5 years.
  • Best CEOs are best fundraisers: especially early when it’s vision-driven. Numbers carry more weight by Series B.
  • Insider vs. outsider founders: consumer favors outsiders (Airbnb), enterprise favors domain experts. Mongo struggled to raise because the team came from ad tech.
  • Investor value-add: 90% is having the right CEO; investors add disproportionate value early when first-time CEOs need help fundraising, hiring CFOs, etc.
  • Speed vs. quality for PMF: speed alone isn’t enough — Mongo took 3 years to get revenue because it had to actually work at scale.
  • AlleyCorp’s incubation model: ~6–8 companies per year, CEO/team gets ~40–45% equity, AlleyCorp puts in ~$1.5M, then market tests it at the next round. Industry-focused teams (healthcare, robotics) generate both incubation ideas and investment deal flow.
  • Pricing and ownership: don’t anchor on ownership percentage; pay up for great teams in great markets. Factor in dilution and capital intensity.
  • Selling and liquidity: take offers you can’t refuse. Bought Meetup for $10M from WeWork in COVID panic, sold for ~7–8x. IPO market is broken — many quality companies that should be public can’t.
  • Multi-stage signaling risk: taking money from giant firms at seed is dangerous if they don’t follow on. Orphaned companies die. Preemption isn’t the norm — that’s a top-10-deals phenomenon.
  • Venture competitiveness and liquidity worry: ~4x more capital than 2017 with fewer opportunities in e-commerce, media, and even enterprise software (incumbents already bought).
  • New York vs. San Francisco: NYC has dramatically outperformed predictions. Talent follows where elite grads want to live. SF retains AI advantage via Stanford/Berkeley.
  • Money, family, and motivation: doesn’t spend on stuff, spends on experiences. Kids must make it on their own. Keeps working because he loves it, not because he needs more money.
  • Quick fire: biggest startup BS = “move fast” without product quality. Most worried about: Trump winning. Long-term: keep the fund the same size, expand deep tech, keep having fun.